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Double Quote of the Week

Oct 19, 07 in Quotes   11 Comments

"When it comes to taxes, Barack Obama is no Jack Kennedy."

The Wall Street Journal.

The Journal's assessment is based on the Illinois Senator's announcement that he wants to to nearly double the captial gains tax to 28% and the quote below:

"The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital . . . the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy."

John F. Kennedy, 1963

I don't venture much into politics at FoG but I gotta tell you, I am not going to vote for anyone that wants to increase the capital gains tax and urge folks in the technology startup community to do the same.  Here's why.

First and foremost having a low capital gains tax encourages risk taking and investment.  Conversely, having a higher rate will discourage these activities.  Venture capital hurdle rates will increase.  Thus investment and the availability of capital to start new ventures will decrease.  As someone involved in the world of technology startups, this outcome is not something that I can support.  Moreover, this is particularly damaging to the economy because studies indicate that small businesses create anywhere from 50 percent to 80 percent of all new jobs in the United States.   The Cato Institute has much evidence to support what I have outlined here.

Beyond that, at the macro level, there is no guarantee that an increase in capital tax rates will actually produce an increase in tax revenues.  While they don't cite the source, The Wall Street Journal claims that for the past 40 years capital gain tax increases have been associated with a decrease in tax revenues.  It seems that when capital gains tax increases are put into effect investors rush to unload many of their holdings before the change takes effect.  They also have an incentive to hold onto a current investment longer to avoid paying the tax.  Like the venture investor, the hurdle rate for individual investors to make a new investment increases.  According to  Strategas Research, after the 1986 Tax Reform Act increased the capital-gains tax rate from 20 to 28 percent, capital gain tax revenue remained depressed for nearly a decade thereafter with the higher tax rate in place.  What broke the slump?  President Clinton's cut back to 20%.

Getting things a little more personal, the financial markets immediately incorporate the higher tax rate into their models.  An increase in the capital gains tax rate will result in  lower stock prices.  I know this is overly simplistic and some tax wonk is welcome to correct my logic, but given that a 5% capital gain tax cut of 2003 resulted in a 10% increase in stock values one could surmise that a 13% increase in the capital gains tax would result in a 26% decrease in stock values.  I don't know about you, but I don't want to see that.

And I won't vote for anyone that wants to increase the capital gains tax.

Comments

Completely agree. Classic supply side cause & effect. Btw, The Journal has had numerous articles demonstrating tax revenue increases since 2003 cap gains tax decreases in context of shrinking deficit. recent pay link - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119189497675953035.html

Tim S  |  Oct 22, 07 at 04:30 PM

Lance:

I disagree. In case my trackback didn't work:
http://www.wikidsystems.com/WiKIDBlog/capital-gains-tax-rates-and-entrepreneurs

Nick

Nick Owen  |  Oct 23, 07 at 10:59 AM

I don’t think your assessment of Barack Obama is correct. According to Barack's web site, Mr. Obama says "his tax plan would give 150 million workers a $500 payroll tax credit, expand relief on mortgage interest, and eliminate income taxes for seniors making less than $50,000." The only tax relief Barack appears to be cancelling is for special interests groups.
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/10/22/obama_runs_new_ad_promises_tax.php

David G.  |  Oct 24, 07 at 10:11 AM

My assessment is 100% correct. Mr. Obama has stated that he wants to raise the capital gains tax to 28%. Calling the 52% of Americans that own stock a special interest group seems disingenuous to me.

Lance  |  Oct 24, 07 at 11:27 AM

It is my understanding that the capital gains increase will only be on America's wealthiest citizens:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/us/politics/19obama.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/O/Obama,%20Barack

I think one of the realities is that everyone will have to pay for Bush's unconscionable discretionary spending, and Barack is simply trying to solve the problem.

David G.  |  Oct 24, 07 at 12:30 PM

David:

I appreciate your comment. Bush is a train wreck. I voted for the other guy. The answer is not to raise taxes, it is to lower spending.

My general position remains the same. I will not vote for somebody that wants to raise my taxes. By stating that he wants to raise cap gains taxes it seems to me that is what he wants to do.

How does Mr. Obama define a "wealthy citizen"? Is there some income level at which a person will not see an increase in cap gains tax? I honestly would like to know .

Lance  |  Oct 24, 07 at 12:54 PM

here's some of Barack's tax plan stating he'll eliminate capital gains taxation for start-up businesses:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/-/HQpress/Fact%20Sheet%20Tax%20Fairness%20Speech%20091707%20FINAL%20IH.pdf#page=4

Russell  |  Nov 06, 07 at 05:06 AM

Russell:

Thanks for posting the document.

I will be eager to see more details on what "eliminate the capital gains taxation of start-up businesses" and "increasing the highest bracket for capital gains" means in practice.

Lance  |  Nov 06, 07 at 06:25 AM

None other than our old friend Austan Goolsbee has some solid research disproving (or disputing, if you don't buy his proof) WSJ's thesis that increasing tax does not increase tax revenues. He claims the drop in revenues is actually temporary.

http://contextualize.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/does-increasing-taxes-decrease-taxable-income-one-austan-goolsbee-said-no-long-before-he-met-obama/

Disclaimer: I support Obama but not his fiscal policies (long story)

Aarjav  |  Jun 25, 08 at 01:28 AM

Aarjav: Interesting article thanks for posting. The money quote to me is "Also not quantified here is the impact an increase in tax has on the soft factors - the level of motivation of VCs (for example) to invest."

Lance  |  Jun 25, 08 at 07:02 AM

Lance, it was actually fun to do research for that article. Goolsbee's other publications are fun reads too. But even if you read nothing else, read this interesting and uncommon behind the scenes look at Obama's Economic policy advisors:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4d40a39e-8f57-4054-bd99-94bc9d19be1a

As you probably know, New Republic is left leaning and the article doesn't seem overtly biased but is mostly positive. I like the empirical and common-sense approach to policy making the article says these guys are taking. And I am hoping all the hoopla about raising capital gains taxes is like previous campaigns, just campaign talk.

Aarjav  |  Jun 25, 08 at 04:45 PM

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