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Aug 09, 08 in Angels, Entrepreneurship, Venture Capital   28 Comments

My friend Jeff Haynie wrote a nice missive on why he moved to the Valley entitled "What's wrong with the Atlanta startup ecosystem and how to fix it."  It's a pretty long post and a worthy read.  Jeff's a smart guy and I generally agree with him on most things.  I have some observations of Jeff's musings.

"My parents personally invested $250,000 of their own money as well."

Jeff hit up his relatives for early stage funding.  Have you?  If you can't get your Mom to write you a check (I don't care for how much) how can you expect a stranger to do so.

"I didn’t want to raise outside investment until we had a product, revenue and customers."

Like I said, Jeff is a smart guy.  Waiting until have have a product before raising capital significantly increases valuation.  Waiting until you have revenue before raising capital significantly increases valuation.

"Local VC money is mostly non-existant. It’s a supply-demand problem essentially. Low supply of great startups and some big hits, very little demand. (Note: I didn’t say lack of money)"

I agree 100% with this statement.  And this is not the "fault" of the people that invest.

"The local community is a relationship-based economy. It’s who you know … The ‘ole boy network. The valley is a meritocracy."

I disagree 50% with this statement.  As I said last week, if you have a good idea and a good team you can get funded in Atlanta.  The valley is indeed a meritocracy.  So is Atlanta, but you gotta perform.

"We have no real track record of big successes we can tout."

100% disagree.  See here.  And regardless of who funded them they count.

"What few winners we’ve had, they don’t feel compelled (or even obliged) to re-invest / give-back to the local community."

With the exception of Tom Noonan lately this is pretty much the case.  His and John Imlay's commitment to giving back has spawned too many startups to count.  Stephen Fleming and I were talking the other day how we need to create a culture of successful entrepreneurs that compete with each other to get in on the best startup deals so they have bragging rights.  There are about five four people in Atlanta that could make a huge difference here.  Tom, Tripp Rackley, Chris Klaus, Marc Fluery and Jeff Arnold  immediately come to mind.  Goading them will not increase their involvement.

"We don’t have any real early stage venture investors in Atlanta."

But we do.  I was sitting in a room of about 50 of them on Thursday.  Mike Eckert, Tom Noonan, and Mitch Free all actively do pre-product/pre-revenue deals.  So does Imlay.  Clearleap, Endgame, Damballa, Flux Media, Global Crypto, Pramana, Purewire, Qoil, Qualtre, SparkIP, Suniva, and WorthPoint were all funded as early stage companies.

"Nor would they (NMP) have done the deal if it was 3 guys just out of GA tech with no experience."

I can't speak for NMP and wish that they would speak for themselves.  But I think that if you removed Nolan and Jeff from the equation and replaced it with somebody like Paul Stamatiou and another equally savvy person I don't think it would have changed the interest level much.  They just would want to bring in some experienced members to the team.  And BTW, a quick look through Storm's portfolio does not show any such beasts.   

"The problem with Noro isn’t that they’re not a good firm. They are not experienced early stage investors. They haven’t had a great track record and most of their partners haven’t had any amount of reasonable success."

Before this all sprung up I was having lunch with Greg Foster.  He told me that NMP could expect to do about 20 deals with their current fund.  Of these deals they expect around 30% to be pre-revenue.  I can't speak to the level of success that they have had with early versus late and would welcome seeing the analysis of such things.  All I know is Alan Taetle lives in a nicer house than mine. 

"West coast money specifically told me they did not want local money involved."

The comment stream would indicate that this is not the case.

"All the local events (that are meaningful) are being driven almost exclusively by entrepreneurs (myself included). The burden is heavy. Everyone needs to participate. Everyone needs to be involved."

First my creds on this.  Spearheaded Startup Weekend, give BarCamp a little push and helped out, PitchCamp mentor, and too many ATDC related activities to mention.  Younger entrepreneurs are driving a lot of the new events in town.  Everyone does indeed need to participate.  But some of the calls that I have seen demanding that investors and VCs fund things is just misguided.  More on this later but as an entrepreneur, and I am speaking as an entrepreneur, the investor is your customer.  You have to treat them as such.  Go look at the BarCamp SF sponsors.  VCs are not funding such things there, why should they here (except of course Startup Weekend: ))?

I don't have a horse in this race. I sit right in the middle.  At the intersection of entrepreneurs wanting to get funding and investors looking for deals.  What I see is people talking on two different planes. I will close with this thought.  In the world of biology species adopt to their ecosystem in order to thrive and only after they thrive do they significantly impact the ecosystem.  The same holds true for Atlanta technology.

Comments

Lance-

I totally agree that goading investors isn't the solution here. I believe in the market, and if the community produces good ideas, they will get funded.

However, sometimes markets don't operate efficiently, and need a little push. Some "gelling" or injecting of efficiencies.

From all the comments flying around, it seems that there are probable more early-stage startups than most people think, and more early-stage investors than most people think. I have definitely had my horizons expanded more in the last few days reading comments than attending various events over the last year. Maybe they just aren't on each others' radar?

When markets are small, dispersed (geographically or "relationship-ally", it's tough for transactions to occur.

I wonder how much we could make the market for funding small deals improve just by trying to aggregate information, community, etc? It might be just the push the community needs for the market to become big enough to run on its own.

Alan Pinstein  |  Aug 09, 08 at 09:33 AM

"Ask your parents" isn't a viable solution to the seed-funding problem. What if your parents spent every cent they ever made trying to send you and your siblings to college?

"So is Atlanta, but you gotta perform."
The difference between Valley merit and Atlanta merit is that Atlanta merit, performing is revenue, while Valley merit is the idea and the beta.

There are no web-based, B2C, or B2SMB business that have had any success in Atlanta in the past 5 years. All I see are security, telecom, and Web 1.0 businesses. Web-based companies that sell to customers or small business is where almost all of the innovation and success is happening these days. There haven't been any successful, innovative companies to get funded and strike it rich within Atlanta any time recently.

By "We don't really have any early stage investors", it is meant that there aren't any early stage investors that make any deals. Sure, there are always going to be a couple of examples to point to, but the volume is so incredibly low. We need to find ways of jump starting the volume- 10 a month instead of 1.

You're right, Lance, you have been a big catalyst in all of this. But I still pretty much classify you as an entrepreneur. And I don't think anybody expects investors to come in and bankroll any party we decide to throw. We just want some visibility, some kind of message: "Hey, we know what you're doing here, and we're interested." So far, I haven't seen any kind of message like that. At all.

I want to make it clear that I'm not goading. I'm just frustrated with the contradiction of investors complaining about the Atlanta technology environment and the lack of companies worthy of investment, while they won't seed companies, won't take risks, and won't go out and meet entrepreneurs before they leave Atlanta for good.

Erik Peterson  |  Aug 09, 08 at 09:52 AM

Didn't Marc F leave town recently too?

Edw3rd  |  Aug 09, 08 at 09:57 AM

So the public therapy session continues (and that's a good thing).
My company has not taken outside money, we're not actively pursuing it (even though we could use it), and I've only had a handful of investor meetings - so I'm not an expert here. And I definitely am not trying to piss off any of my fellow entrepreneurs that are unhappy with the local investment scene.
But there are a couple of points here which I find particularly salient:
"Goading them will not increase their involvement."
I think we have to keep in mind that the angels and VC's are "businesses". They have a model that they have chosen to work with, and from the outside indicators (nice houses, etc.), it seems to be working for them. I'm sure that, as with most successful businesses, they are willing to adapt and change to their market. But demanding that they modify their successful business practices - it ain't gonna work people. Remember – we want their money, but we don’t want them telling us how to structure our business models – works both ways.
I agree that there is a need for more true "entry" and "seed" level investment in Atlanta. Maybe it will come from the existing group of investors. Or maybe new investors will pop up. But, only when the demand becomes evident in a positive way will the money guys respond. Standing around with your hand out and cardboard "Will begin working once I get some investment" sign isn't going to make it happen. Lance, you point out: "the investor is your customer". You're absolutely right. Nobody wants to play with a buzzkill - go look at a playground or beach. Every kid will gravitate to the one that got there early and started building the sandcastle.
"...calls that...investors and VCs fund things is just misguided"
Again, I agree. If the investors start funding the entrepreneur events – then they are in control of them and they become about the narrow scope of what that investor(s) is interested in and less about the community (and there is less money to invest…). And then we’re back to square one, bitching and moaning that we can’t do things our way… Remember, being an entrepreneur is about more that coding, product development, etc. It’s about marketing, selling, financial analysis, legal crap (no offense, lawyers), etc. And that also includes participating and building a community that gets the attention of investors (c.f., the playground metaphor above).

David Jones  |  Aug 09, 08 at 10:08 AM

"There are no web-based, B2C, or B2SMB business that have had any success in Atlanta in the past 5 years."

HowStuffWorks. http://tinyurl.com/6dxfkg

cBeyond. http://tinyurl.com/6zp4b6

GotU. http://tinyurl.com/2q9j9y

Lance  |  Aug 09, 08 at 10:19 AM

Edw3rd, Marc F did indeed just leave town. Striken.

Lance  |  Aug 09, 08 at 10:25 AM

This is a fascinating exchange. Bottom line: positive change is occurring but it is necessarily slow. Let's also put some perspective here: Appcelerator's choice is no different from that faced by millions of Americans who have to decide between lifestyle and career/earning potential. It's no different from someone in Des Moines deciding to go to New York for a career in investment banking.

1. Let's continue to remember that California and Boston have about a 40-year head start in venture capital over Atlanta. That's two generations of knowledge and experiential learning. I know people here are sensitive down South about being thought of as backward but to ignore the reality is silly. 40 years of development lag is a really big gap and can't be closed overnight even with massive funding. Ask anyone in Eastern Germany.

2. Because of this, California and Boston are the exceptions. Most of the country (99%) is like us. That's why we get people in CapitalLounge from Chicago, Washington, Denver, Raleigh (their VC community is overrated) and Tampa. So saying that it's easier to raise money in San Francisco is kind of like saying it's easier to find good football players in Georgia than it is in Massachusetts. It's true and it's an entrenched cultural issue that, if it is to change, will require generations.

3. Capital goes where the deals are and where the innovation is and, ultimately (to the point in Lance's prior post) where the clusters are. The dominant industries in Georgia mostly do not lend themselves well to venture type deals.

4. I'm not certain we will get to a spreadsheet free deal evaluation standard in Atlanta in our lifetimes. I think this is reflective of my prior point. Many businesses do not lend themselves well to spreadsheet analysis. I get it. Most angels here made their money in industries that do. The reality is that we can't be good at funding everything. Some companies are just Sand Hill ventures trapped in Georgia geography.

I also wonder if any angels in California who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars after the fact wish that maybe they'd bothered to look at the numbers or scrutinize them more carefully. Maybe the answer is zero.

5. So I guess my point is that there is no quick fix to this. SB 80 might help. The video entertainment tax break might help. Does anyone remember what happened to all the nanotechnology buzz? Dumping $100 MM into venture deals right now just encourages bad habits by lowering the bar rather than challenging entrepreneurs and investors to meet the necessarily high standards of venture capital.

If Appcelerator's departure signifies anything to me, it's not that the ATL is a VC wasteland, but rather that we as a community have more work to do, in spite of recent improvements. The only way to improve our market is to keep doing what many of us, including Lance, are already doing -- which is rolling up our sleeves and facilitating key introductions, offering advice, providing education, and lending our experience and knowledge when we can. We are already making a difference, but a complete transformation will take years, if it ever occurs at all.

I don't know if Appcelerator could have received the funding they sought here or not. If you're a company or an entrepreneur looking for a California-like investment environment, then Appcelerator already showed you the path. Go to the airport and - imagine this - go to California. We can't compete with that environment and let's not lie to ourselves and others that we can or even necessarily should.

But let's also maintain perspective here. Early stage companies are getting funded - more than many realize. There is much more hope and positive energy in the ecosystem than even 3 years ago. Many people who have knowledge and capital are answering the call to serve the community and are making a tangible impact. A number of early stage funds are being organized by people that have the credibility to be believed. Even the organs of the establishment are beginning to acknowledge the new voices and thought leaders. We are getting better. Not quickly enough to keep Appcelerator, but perhaps quickly enough to prevent many other Appcelerators from following.

-- mike

Mike Blake  |  Aug 09, 08 at 10:28 AM

Here's another successful B2SMB in Buckhead:
http://www.pardot.com

Paul Freet maintains a list of 110+ early stage tech companies and includes designations for venture backed and angel backed firms:
http://www.atllogos.com

David Cummings  |  Aug 09, 08 at 10:46 AM

Love the rickrolling on GotU. Very funny.

Jeff Haynie  |  Aug 09, 08 at 11:43 AM

@AlanPinstein -- maybe atlanta needs the equivalent of a Start Conference? http://thestartconference.com/

That way you could help get people together .... I guess this is similar to StartupWeekend but much less about 1-1 vs. 1-N startups.

@Lance -- By me saying that I think investors should sponsor/attend these events - i didn't mean to insinuate that they should control them or be obliged or anything like that. I simply meant that this is a deal-flow mechanism for them so it fits their model. I realize that Barcamp SF doesn't have VCs -- but that's because soooo many people in the local tech community want to sponsor and be part and they don't have any deal flow issues in SF like we have in ATL. I think anything that can be done to get investors/entrepreneurs working together for common purpose is good.

This problem isn't one-sided and no one is to blame here. I said it was much more complicated than that. My opinions are just my observations -- good or bad, wrong or right -- and I said that in the beginning of my post. Ultimately, change occurs when people want it to.

A think using JBoss as a local model for success is a little bit misleading. JBoss was wholesale REJECTED by the local community and you know that yourself. I tried to help get JBoss into ATDC. EPIC FAIL. The reason was "JBoss is a services company and has no patents". Same for the local investors when JBoss tried to raise money. And in fact, most of the core developers at JBoss didn't even live in Atlanta (or near it for that matter). JBoss was forced to look elsewhere for capital and found it in Menlo Park, CA (Accel) and Boston (Matrix). JBoss was pretty much completely overlooked even in the end. The AJC didn't even bother to cover the acquisition in the paper - and when they did mention it, they positioned it as a NC-company (RedHat) as a two-liner. JBoss *was* a great success for the region because marcf slogged very hard *despite* the local startup environment. He was able to more easily transcend it because he's product and team started out in a global, open source environment before it turned in to a business.


All this being said, my main concern is this: it is HARD to get funded (even as JBoss and Appcelerator) in Atlanta. Period.

That's not the fault of anyone. That's just how it is. We need to fix this. I didn't say emulate Boston or the Valley. That would not be very fruitful. However, they do serve as role models for how a successful startup culture operates on different levels. It could serve as a blue print.


I think ultimately that the dialog is the best part of all of this. All the back room conversations that have been occurring for a while need to be brought online and in a constructive way by all parties. Unfortunately, I think this will continue (at least online) to be a one-sided conversation. Entrepreneurs talking to themselves won't change too much.

At least Knox has balls enough to speak up for his representative group. I think that's a great thing!! But, then again, Knox and ATA members are (mostly!) entrepreneurs at heart / by trade.

It would be great if we had a Fred Wilson of Atlanta. Someone who got Web2.0, Social Media and the way the world is going. Maybe Greg Foster at NMP could be this great hope. We need a next generation of investor types that are participating *in the community* in ways that give them credibility and understanding and passion about what's happening as well. You definitely see this with the Peter Fenton's and Kevin Efrusy's out here in SF. They're young, involved and part of the dialog and involved in making stuff happen.


This is good conversation that Atlanta needs to be having.


Jeff Haynie  |  Aug 09, 08 at 12:18 PM

Maybe I am in the wrong pool. But I am really struggling with why my team and idea have to be vetted by the VC / Angel. Sure if I am seeking funding, then I can understand somewhat. However, if I build a product, get traction and build revenue I can really give a damn what the VC/Angel thinks.

"if you have a good idea and a good team you can get funded in Atlanta"
That would be based on the assumption that Angels and VCs understand every great idea and team.

Jeff Gombala  |  Aug 09, 08 at 12:22 PM

What are they saying about this problem in other places? Can you guess what location these are referring to?

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"why don't our investors like our entrepreneurs? Don't they have enough vision to understand what innovators are doing? Or are entrepreneurs not producing enough clever ideas? Neither statement is true - the real problem is a marketing one. ... The problem with venture capital in xxxxx is less about the lenders than our ability as business people to provide compelling investment propositions."

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"No question, this region is starved for venture capital ... Gov. yyyyy has rightfully pointed this out in his new economic stimulus package; they're talking about putting up to $60 million in venture capital for yyyy firms and a guarantee program (to attract out-of-state venture capital firms)."

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"ZZZZZZ's venture capital problem is like a chicken and egg problem except there's not enough chicken or eggs. There needs to be more companies with successful exit strategies so that it will create more interested VC's and future entrepreneurs.

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The first is New Zealand, the second Pennsylvania, the third, Canada.

Paul Freet  |  Aug 09, 08 at 12:41 PM

Lance and Jeff,

This is a great discussion. As you can imagine, I have a few opinions on the issues raised. I will share more of those thoughts when I can contain some of the post-vacation domestic frenzy.

In simplest terms, I think you both have captured the reality of the situation. Atlanta is not Silicon Valley, and we will fail if we try to make it so. That is not to say that Atlanta's technology future is necessarily bleak, we just have to chart our own path.

Lance, you hit the nail on the head that we can't be good at funding everything. Some companies truly are Sand Hill Road ventures trapped in a Georgia geography. Appcelerator is one of those companies. Local investors would have been suckers to invest in Appcelerator if it stayed local & Appcelerator would have reduced its odds of success by not getting to the Valley.

In the Valley, Appcelerator can be closer to it's most important early customers, cutting edge RIA developers. From an investment perspective, Appcelerator needs to be closer to its likely exits. Adobe, Google, Sun & HP are all within 20 minutes of Appcelerators's new digs. Jeff, you and your VCs will have plenty of interaction with the product managers, business development folks, and top brass at these companies. You will run into them at Buck's or Hobee's, not Goldbergs or OK Cafe. Jeff, there is a good ol' boy network in the Valley, too. Relationships matter, and despite all the social networking tools, important relationships are best built face to face.

Two final thoughts before I sign off. First, it is especially encouraging to see the swelling ranks of entrepreneurs here in Atlanta. The passion in this thread is evidence of the energy within the entrepreneurial community. Ultimately, entrepreneurs are the ones that create the value. Second, Jeff and Lance, the two of you have certainly done your share to give back to the entrepreneurial community & have both made a difference. Thanks.

Mike.

Mike Dickerson  |  Aug 09, 08 at 12:51 PM

"However, if I build a product, get traction and build revenue I can really give a damn what the VC/Angel thinks."

Amen

"That would be based on the assumption that Angels and VCs understand every great idea and team."

As a guy that has seen what must be 600 or so concepts over the past year I can only say that when you see one it is apparent. Very. Like in less then 30 seconds.

Lance  |  Aug 09, 08 at 12:52 PM

"I can only say that when you see one it is apparent. Very. Like in less then 30 seconds."

Just curious: are you saying that when a really good one comes along you can recognize it, or that you can recognize all ones that won't succeed?

Mike Schinkel  |  Aug 09, 08 at 01:10 PM

Mike: I am saying that one can develop a successful startup rapid cognition skill. You can recognize the really good ones and the really bad ones right away. The ones in the middle require disciplined study.

Lance  |  Aug 09, 08 at 02:04 PM

HowStuffWorks was a Web 1.0 company (Founded in 1998) that was sold 6 years ago (2002).

cBeyond I classify as a telecom company.

My point is not that there haven't been any successes at all, but that there are so few, and that they have either been a long time ago, or were in market segments (telecom, security, enterprise IT, hardware) that don't provide the publicity (or the cash) that Atlanta so desperately needs.

"As a guy that has seen what must be 600 or so concepts over the past year I can only say that when you see one it is apparent. Very. Like in less then 30 seconds."
All the more reason to hold YC-style pitch sessions, or more events like Startup Riot. The more startups that get any exposure at all, the higher likelihood that an investor will see one of the ideas and will recognize it as great.

I'd be a big fan of an event like Startup Riot, but where each investor that comes commits to funding X number of companies who present. I think you'll get a higher quality of companies and presentations, and a larger long-term impact. But are there any investors that would be game for something like that?

I'd say "No." The investors here are too risk averse and paralyzed of investing in anything without seeing spreadsheets. This isn't even something that's specific to the valley. There's a company you might of heard of in Boulder, CO that does this exact same thing.

Erik Peterson  |  Aug 09, 08 at 02:12 PM

Erik, you have to stop changing the basis of your arguments. You said "There are no web-based, B2C, or B2SMB business that have had any success in Atlanta in the past 5 years." To which I replied with two concrete examples (and BTW HowStuffWorks was acquired in the fall of 2007.)

No investor is going to agree to fund a number of companies before they see them. If you had cash, would you?

Of the twelve companies that I listed as early stage investments half had no detailed business models. Half did, that would lead me to believe that your assumption is incorrect.

Lance  |  Aug 09, 08 at 02:28 PM

This continues to be an interesting conversation. While it's certainly tempting to continue the banter back and forth about exactly what occurred between NMP and Appcelerator, I'm not going to do that. Reality is that it's hard to capture every detail and nuance of these types of situations - it's disappointing that there have been several inaccuracies in the story that's been told, but life goes on. As with any start-up that gets funding elsewhere, we wish Jeff and Appcelerator the best on their journey ahead.

And so the past is the past, and we're looking toward the future. I will be with Sanjay at the Tech Bookstore Starbucks on the 12th around 2 PM to hang out and connect on a number of fronts. We have a lot of work to do to make Atlanta a highly vibrant entrepreneurial community. Many leaders have come before us and done their part. Our generation now has to take up the challenge of moving Atlanta to the next level. My commitment to you all is that I (and our entire team at NMP) will be working to connect and build greater discourse with the community over the coming years. Hope we can all join together toward that end.

Greg Foster  |  Aug 09, 08 at 04:30 PM

I will be with Lance at the ATDC on Friday at 2 PM if anyone wants to continue this really interesting conversation in person. We are a part of this ecosystem and are truly earnest in our desire to do more and be highly accessible. Lance will post info on his blog when he gets a room.

Alan Taetle  |  Aug 09, 08 at 05:24 PM

HowStuffWorks was indeed originally sold in 2002, for only about $1M, after nearly dying:
http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2002/09/02/story4.html

Someone bought the assets and turned it around, but I would hardly call this a success of the Atlanta startup scene. If the original founder was even from Atlanta, and if he had succeeded without having to have a fire sale, then I would gladly cheer it as a success. But it wasn't.

We're talking about founders who start the company in Atlanta, get Atlanta funding, and exit in Atlanta. HowStuffWorks was only one of those three.

cBeyond is indeed a success of the Atlanta startup scene, I concede that. But where are the benefits? Any publicity? I see absolutely no mention of Atlanta anywhere on their website. I don't see any cBeyond veterans running around investing or starting other companies. I'd never even heard of them until just now. And even they had to go outside of Atlanta for almost all of their funding.

I'm not trying to be down on Atlanta- I'm just saying that Jeff was right, that we don't have many big successes that we can count. We have no Google, or, heck, we don't even have a Facebook or a Salesforce.com. There haven't been many big, highly-publicized, successful Internet companies here since before the bust. That's the truth.

Admitting that problem, and then working hard to fix it, is one of the biggest first steps to establishing a vibrant startup scene in Atlanta. This means we have to identify potential hits, support and publicize the living crap out of them. I just don't see a whole lot of that happening.

Erik Peterson  |  Aug 09, 08 at 07:32 PM

NOW we're getting somewhere.

Haynie, Brass balls, please.

Appcelerator/NMP. Maybe it's time to move on.

Dickerson--thanks for chiming in.

Can we stop using the spreadsheet example? It's misinformation and wrong. We're (ATA) seed and early stage and we DON'T use NPV, Excel, green eyeshades, etc. We do, however, pay attention to the attitude and maturity of the entrepreneur.

See you at ATDC Friday if I am invited.

Knox Massey  |  Aug 09, 08 at 07:38 PM

"As a guy that has seen what must be 600 or so concepts over the past year I can only say that when you see one it is apparent. Very. Like in less then 30 seconds."

I agree, if we are talking about what has been done Atlanta before (hello telecoms, hello security). Speaking from what I know, I hardly doubt any VC/Angel here knows much about mortgage space and the play of mortgages in the B2C space. (If you do David and I would be happy to talk to you) I say this cause we have talked to a lot of these folks in Atlanta... all we get is "mortgages, sounds like a tough space to be in". Then we hear, "be in a space that needs innovation". Then I get advice that I need to prove that it is a "must have instead of a nice to have"... Ya... thanks I know that. If I prove that to you I have already proved it to my customers so then I don't need you... bye bye

Games I tell ya... I'd be better off spending my money playing the GA lottery.

My point is that unless VC/Angels take the time to understand a company, instead of casting a shadow on it in the first "30 seconds" we are going to go nowhere fast. Yes there are a lot of companies out there that are crap, but for everyone that is there is a good idea. There is plenty of fundable companies and there are plenty of people to provide funds. So let's just stop the games and get on the dance floor. Let's not let other cities pass us by. Right now I am sure we look like fools.

Jeff Gombala  |  Aug 09, 08 at 08:01 PM

Jeff, you crack me up.

Lance  |  Aug 09, 08 at 10:48 PM

"We're talking about founders who start the company in Atlanta, get Atlanta funding, and exit in Atlanta. HowStuffWorks was only one of those three."
Erik, just to better frame the discussion, as an entrepreneur I personally do not care about the geographic source of funds. If it gets funded it gets funded. Seed and angel will most likely be geographic dependent. VC not so much so. I never mentioned the phrase "Atlanta funding" or "local funding".

And we can agree to disagree on HowStuffWorks. Given the wealth the employee stockholders generated in the sale to Discovery I believe that they are relevant and part of the picture. You don't see it that way

Lance  |  Aug 10, 08 at 09:59 AM

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